I received a (paper) letter from Dunn Lumber last week inviting me (and everyone else within 1200′ of their headquarters location down by Lake Union) to an open house:
Dunn Lumber has been family run and owned since 1907. We have operated and headquartered out of the same lower Wallingford location since 1930. Our legacy and commitment to our neighborhood our neighbors is the integral reason four present, and, hopefully, future success!
To remain in the same location, we are contemplating the expansion of our Dunn staging area and warehouse, with the possible addition of amenities such as grocery, restaurant, and other possible uses, on the block directly east of our flagship store (where our current outdoor lumber yard is located).
It went on to invite us down to an open house at Ivar’s this past Tuesday evening. So, along with about 50 of my neighbors, I tromped down through melting snow to the waterfront to find out what was up.
The story begins this past December, when Ivar’s sold the their Lake Union property to the Bellevue-based Fana Group (for $13.7M). Don’t go hoarding chowder yet, though: as part of the sales agreement, Ivar’s can lease back the property for up to 30 years.
However, now that they no longer own the parking lot across the street, there exists the possibility, even probability, that that location will be developed, and that poses a problem for Dunn Lumber: that parking lot is where the trucks delivering to their lumber yard park and unload palettes. Without that lot, they can’t easily unload their materials. Thus, the expansion.
The plans they introduced at the open house were still in the early design phase: while there were some conceptual drawings, Ben de Rubertis, the architect, emphasized that materials and form were still very much an open question.
The direction they were headed, however, was to take the entire block where their existing lumberyard sites, between Latona and 4th Ave NE and between Northlake Way and the Burke Gilman Trail, and build a new, two story building on the spot.
The idea would be to create a lower level where the trucks could pull in and unload into their warehouse, and then leave the upper level for third-party retail: a grocery store, a coffee shop, a brew pub, something neighborhood-friendly.
The keystone element of the project is its proximity to the Burke-Gilman Trail. Ben explained: “this is a rare in the city, a commercial property with strong trail orientation. It’s an opportunity to enhance the experience of the trail. I bike to work every day, and I would appreciate the option to stop along the way, get my groceries, or meet a friend for a cup of coffee. I’d like to be able to fold that into my day. ”
While I don’t think anyone wants to see a straight-up commercialization of the trail, I’ve often thought that it’s a missed opportunity that there aren’t more third places along the Burke. Imagine how often you might stop at Westward, for example, if instead of having to cross the desolation that is Northlake Way, you could spot a friend enjoying a cocktail in one of their adirondack chairs from your bike.
So the plan they introduced has the “front door” to the second floor retail space facing out onto the Burke Gilman itself. Imagine a cafe or brew pub with outdoor seating catching thirsty, weary or just social riders on their way to and from here and there.
The view above imagines the building as seen coming down Latona from 45th. While the general response of the people in attendance was overall positive, as you can imagine from the sketch, the people who live in the building that is pencilled in on the left were mostly sad. The zone for that area is IC-45, meaning industrial use (no residential) and buildings can be 45′ tall. That 45′ is enough to erase the view of the city the condo owners across the street enjoy today.
The image above is from the same direction, looking south from the corner of Latona and Pacific at the “front” of the building as it faces onto the trail.
One serendipitous feature being considered is a terrace overlooking Pacific. The zoning line between the IC-45 area and the stricter Urban Maritime zone lazes right through the south end of the property. As a result, they can’t build to 45′ all the way to Northlake Way. Instead, the plan is to build a (shorter than the main building) terrace overlooking both the street and the lake. If you squint, you can see that idea represented in this drawing from the perspective of Pacific and 2nd Ave NE, looking down over the top of the existing Dunn Lumber building at the new building in color.
Much of the project is still in flux: no permits have been applied for, and Dunn is negotiating with the city regarding the SDOT-owned property tucked in just below the Burke on 4th Ave NE. Dunn would like to purchase the property and roll it into their project rather than have it sit as an unsightly storage area abutting the Burke.
Still, doing something seems like a necessity for Dunn. I chatted for a bit with Rob Dunn, grandson of Albert Dunn, and now retired. He wisely refused to commit to any dates, but from what I could tell, they’d be doing well if they broke ground in 2018 and wrapped up by 2020.
In the meantime, they’re gathering community feedback on their plans. The open house included a voting system for the different types of tenants they might recruit as their tenants: “organic grocery” did well, “clothing store” and “art gallery” not as much. Surprisingly, “bike shop” fared poorly as well, with “yoga studio” getting almost eight times the votes.
Some good ideas also came up in the conversations between residents and the urban planning and architectural staff that attended. Tobin Thompson, an architect in his own right, encouraged them not to forget about the Northlake street face in their excitement over the Burke Gilman frontage.
“The project can act as an important element of continuity using strong urban design streetscape principles to reinforce that Northlake is a neighborhood street with local stewards and stakeholders,” he said. “This can send strong signals about appropriate street uses and activities along this stretch of Northlake. I think they’ve got strong representation in this effort from the landscape designers I talked to.”
He also encouraged them to look for partnering opportunities with the city and/or SDOT to improve pedestrian flow down from the neighborhoods along Latona and 4th Ave., considering how they connect pedestrians from north of Pacific and 40th down to the businesses and public street end waterways.
There’s still lots of time to get your input in. I’d love to hear them below, and you can also email Roy Mann or Marianne Stover with your thoughts.
Thank you for this interesting and timely article. I am amazed that people voted for yoga studio as there are so many outstanding ones in the area– Bala, Aditi, Om anf then up by Green Lake- 3 more. I would love to see discount womens clothing.. how about that library expansion? Not just a dumpy old coffee place- tho- how about a reasonable priced organic cafe?
Big fan of Dunn.
Yoga studio seems like an incredibly wasteful use of the space – based purely on turnover. (20 people, one hour at a time, for seven hours a day?) Would also encourage parking there. Whereas a coffee shop or restaurant would cycle more patrons.
One reason I’d like a yoga studio there (not that I voted on it or really care one way or another) would be I would like a *walkable* studio in the ‘hood. (Which there might already be, I haven’t looked yet.) I hate driving to yoga – it seems wrong, or – dare I say it? -“politically incorrect” (in the original self-deprecating sense). 😉 So it needn’t necessarily “encourage parking”.
I personally would be fine with a light industry or specialized home improvement use there, as long as the high profile side along the trail & Pacific has a quality finish, not the kind of big box suburban look that Dunn’s retail building leans towards. For all that it’s on some major corridors, it isn’t really all that accessible from the residential neighborhood above, and the bicycle/pedestrian traffic on the trail can get pretty hairy even with the current level of traffic to Dunn. It’s really a sort of arterial for people who are trying to get from point A to point B on two wheels – it doesn’t need to be “activated”, it needs to be optimally engineered for safety and throughput, and adjoining business can serve it best by staying out of the way.
Hi, this is Marianne Stover (I am one of the contact folks Wallyhood lists in the Blog). Thanks to Wallyhood for coming to the Dunn Open House and for reporting on Dunn’s history and the ideas for the property! Thanks also for reporting on some of the great ideas suggested by the 60+ neighbors who joined us!
I do want to comment on one point in the Blog. I don’t think it is accurate to say that the views of nearby condo owners will be “erased”. Some views from lower levels could be affected but other views will not be affected at all. And, those folks will all have some really great amenities just across the road and the BGT.
If I were one of those lower condo owners whose view “could be affected” I would be upset and insulted with this comment. Losing light and a beautiful view is in NO way recompensed byhaving a restaurant and other stuff “just across the road”.
Not that I have any inside information here, but … where Jordan’s accounting for what could happen under the zone standards, it’s really hard to imagine why Dunn would actually build anything that tall (measured from the north side of the site.) And it’s about 100 feet across the road, so depending again on the details, there may be only partial obstruction. Anyway … when they actually have something specific in mind, if they go to Design Review they’ll have a presentation you can download, with view studies that will give you a fairly clear idea whether you need to come to the defense of those lower condo owners. Until then we’re just speculating, and my speculative impression is that this isn’t like the typical development up on 45th or Stone (i.e., not a speculative real estate developer who bought the land to make as much money as possible on the deal), they really will make it a priority to do something that fits well there.
I don’t get why the obstructed view thing for some is even an issue. The condo that is having its view blocked, blocked the views of those behind it when it was built. And so on.
I would love to see a third-place that does a decent family-friendly happy hour with healthy food. This would also be an excellent opportunity to create a safe crossing between the Burke Gilman and the neighborhood. The signed crossing is still terrifying [ for driver’s, too ] and is only good if you are going North. With the school right there, you would think there would be an added incentive.
Some type of grocery would be great! It would be so nice to be able to make a quick stop while biking home to pick up some basics for dinner.
I love the idea of a type of Third Place Books. It would be so great to have a combo coffee, pub, light eating place for people to gather and take a break from a bike ride or a walk on the trail. This is an amazing location. Just look at a map of Seattle. It is smack in the center.
I am less concerned about Dunn than I am about the pigs who bought IVARs. Dunn practices an industry that does lots of good for society. Where else can you buy straight perfect wood? Certainly not from HD or Lowes. The people who bought IVARs have no stake in the community. They are leeches. They will pay the city off and build towers there. Just wait and see. They are just biding their time.
With regard to views, to my knowledge there are no view covenants in Seattle. This is why people pay through the nose to live on the water and even that does not guarantee anything. I have lived in 8 Seattle neighborhoods and seen sleazy things done by neighbors and developers.
I have never seen such transparency in a business as with Dunn. I would be much more worried about the Seattle government screwing people than any business. This city is a complete mess. Have you ever driven on 40th St at 5 pm? Both lower and upper 40th are stagnant. Does anyone know if any attempts are being made to improve this area independent of Dunn’s proposal?
To be fair, you can get very good lumber at Limback in Ballard, and I’m sure there are more in that category. But Dunn is great too.
I suppose Ivar’s Salmon House was already there at the time of the state Shorelines Management Act. A new building there would, in theory, need to be a water related use, but there seem to be plenty of examples that suggest the city is reliably negligent at enforcing this.
I’d love to see something that complemented Dunn’s business, along the lines of a woodworking-focused MakerSpace. Dunn’s great for building-supplies, but not so good for smaller projects. A MakerSpace with supplies for sale (hardwoods, hardware, tools), project plans & books, a few workbenches for people without good project-space at home, and tools for use or rental.
Combine this with some classes (So You Think You Can Dovetail), guided projects (build your own Little Free Library), project planning advice, and presentations by local craftsmen&women, and this could be a great community builder.
We lost Rockler to Northgate, a couple of years ago, and that’s still the closest/only place that does woodworking.