Wallingford’s nightlife has been growing: the addition of The Octopus Bar knits together the SeaMonster Lounge / Iron Bull intersection with the Changes / Murphy’s intersection to create an unbroken chain of after dark entertainment. And it’s certainly the case that they feed off each other: there’s a growing sense of a bar scene.
And now, that’s set to expand even more, as the SeaMonster has taken over the corner space adjoining it, previously occupied by La Boulangerie, and is working on expanding into that space.
Not everybody is happy about this, of course. William recently wrote me:
I was surprised to see that no one so far has commented on the SeaMonster Lounge’s plans for expansion. Those plans include an outside deck like the one across the intersection at the Iron Bull. The Iron Bull’s deck is already a source of loud noise and public drunkeness into the wee hours of morning. On one recent night two Bull patrons raced hotrods around the block; on another, the police were needed to quiet a ruckus on the deck and to rescue a patron who had passed out on the pavement. Now the SeaMonster Lounge proposes to double the fun by building a second deck at this same intersection. I suggest that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! If you agree and wish to protest, make your feelings known to Lt. Roy Woodrow Perkins at the Washington State Liquor Control Board, 253-661-4935 or [email protected].
I reached out to Gerald Simonsen, owner of the Iron Bull and Andrew Nunez, co-owner of the SeaMonster, for a response. Gerald responded:
When I bought the Iron Bull several years ago the previous owner told me there would be a few people in the neighborhood that would complain about any late night noise, but he simply ignored them. He told me that if people do not want to hear bar noises they should not move next to a bar.
While I do agree that people that do not want to hear bar noise should not move next to a bar I do not agree that people with complaints should be ignored. We have had a few complaints and have done our best to respond to them. Normally they have been noise complaints because the back door was open and we rectified it by closing the door.
I also recall someone calling to complain about the noise when the Seahawks beat the 49ERS in a very tight game.
This was at 3 PM on a Sunday.
I told them I was sorry but everyone was rather excited and they would calm down soon. The noise level quickly subsided and all was well.
The only time that I received a complaint that I took the former owners advice and ignored was when we received a complaint that “our” possums were harassing the neighborhood chickens. Indeed, I was completely guilty of not responding as I do not have any possums. And if I did I would be very stern with them about bothering the neighbors chickens. I might even threaten to give them spankings if they bother the neighbors chickens.
I have learned my lesson about ignoring complaints as the offended parties brought dead possums they had killed with a shovel into the bar, slammed them down on the bar and scared the hell out of my bartenders and customers. They then put dead possums with fans blowing the stench of their dead bodies directed at the deck. After these bizarre attacks, I filed a restraining order, went to court and obtained a judgment against them from further harassment.
Another complaint I had was that when people play pool the neighbors can her the balls clacking together and it is very annoying. This was a second hand complaint so I could not address it as I did not have enough details to do anything about it.So apparently there is someone (perhaps the folks that hate possums) that is displeased with the Iron Bull. Had I heard anything about these complaints I would have done what I could to alleviate them.
I do not know what exactly I could do but if there was any evidence that my patrons were having hot rod races in the neighborhood but I would certainly explain to them that this is a nice neighborhood sports bar and not Arnold’s Dinner from Happy Days and such activity is not encouraged.I would also have to explain to them that I have absolutely no right to tell them what they can do outside my bar and I also have absolutely no responsibility to prevent them from hot rodding around the neighborhood but I would prefer they did not.
I am rather curious as to what exactly what “raced hotrods around the block” means. And how it was determined they were “two Bull patrons”? Is it possible that these two hot rodders were really coming from the movie theater next door and had been excited but a hot rod film? If that were the case should we try to get the theater closed down?
I am also curious if the author thinks that these hot rodders were doing their hot rodding because the Iron Bull has a deck? And somehow because the hot rodders were influenced by the deck at the Iron Bull to hot rod the SeaMonster should not have a deck? Very confusing to me.
And how could anyone race around the block? I find that when going around the block if someone is coming the other direction I have to pull to the side to let them pass as the streets are very narrow and there is often not room for two cars to pass each other. It is not like we have a race track in Wallingford.
I have talked to my staff about the “police were needed to quiet a ruckus on the deck and to rescue a patron who had passed out on the pavement” and no one knew anything about it. I would guess if the police came in response to a “ruckus on the deck” they would have mentioned it to us. I would think they would have also mentioned it if they had to “rescue” someone they would have mentioned it.But again, I will point out that we have no control over what people do outside the bar.
If you look at our Yelp reviews most are good but a few are complains about slow service (hard to keep everyone happy when you have 200 hungry sports fans) and complaints about us showing the Bears games rather than the Seahawks (we are the Seattle Bears Bar) but the only one you will see where there is a complaint about how much liquor we serve people is “This place is terrible. Feels like it is ran by church girls who view you as a sinner if you have had more than one beer.” We are very conscious that we are not allowed to over serve people and do what we can to prevent it.
I would suggest:
- If you do not want to hear children laughing and playing with the occasional crying caused by a skinned knee, do not move next to a day care.
- If you do not want to hear church bells, people praying, people singing and the occasional morning over a lost one, do not move next to a church.
- If you do not want to hear cars in the night, do not live in the city.
- If you do not want to see sick people and hear sirens, do not move next to a hospital.
- If you do not want to hear airplanes overhead, do not move next to an airport.
- If you do not want to hear people enjoying themselves and perhaps on occasion a little more bar noise than you like, do not move next to a bar.
You get to choose where you live and must accept the things you like and the things, you do not like about that choice you made. The bar has been here for more than 50 years. I do not recall anyone complaining about anything that has told me they were here before the bar was.
Personally I love the SeaMonster. It is a great place for not so famous bands to have a place to play for an audience. From reading the sign they put up I gather their expansion will allow them to have all ages shows. Sounds like a fine thing to me.
We will make every attempt to be good neighbors but please keep in mind if we do not know about a problem, we cannot fix it. And we can not do anything about the hot rodders.
Andrew was likewise accommodating with a response:
We at the Sea Monster have a well documented history of working with our neighbors to alleviate any problems caused by our establishment. (Ask our immediate neighbors to the east, north and west). It has been a long hard road to profitability, but by working with neighbors we feel we have become a vital source of culture, a safe place for the community to gather and build relationships with young and old alike. We look out for each other in a world with increasing problems.
After almost 11 years in business here, we have become popular! The one or two smokers huddled together outside has grown to 10 or 20 on some nights. We have hired a door person to check ID’s on busier nights, more bartenders and bussers too. Our patrons are our neighbors, they are not trouble makers/criminals.
Over the past 4 or so years we have only received complaints from one woman who moved in across the street and her penthouse apartment windows face out to 45th street.
It’s not the music causing disturbances, it’s the patrons and non patrons outside which poses some difficulty for us to police. Our door person can ask patrons to be quiet and for them to smoke 25ft from the front door, but that is the extent to which we can police an outside crowd.
We have spoken with the police and neighborhood noise task force and they have told us the same thing, the noise created from the live music inside the bar is not at a disturbing decibel level.
In an effort to create less problems for our neighbors we have spent $15,000 on a new heating and air conditioning system that will allow us to keep the doors closed more often in the hot summer months. This has not alleviated the problem of patrons smoking and talking outside.
What can we do?
We are hoping to further diminish this problem by providing an enclosed outside patio on the side of the building for our patrons to gather and smoke instead of out front.
We will always do our best to address any problems that arise from our success, we love our neighborhood and I think our neighborhood loves us too. Our proposed expansion will add many great updates to a dead corner in need of refurbishing.
I own a home a few blocks from the sea Monster, I will have children here and probably die here too. We all have to get along. If you are a neighbor and have concerns please allow us to be good neighbors and work together to solve our problems instead of using the police and liquor board to try and evict us.
Gerald, the owner of the Iron Bull has been great for the neighborhood. I have witnessed the transformation across the street since he purchased the business. Wallingford now has a safe place to enjoy watching sporting events, playing billiards or darts, pinball, etc. I’m sure he has invested many thousand of dollars to create this for our neighbors.
Also, as Gerald pointed out please don’t move in across the street from two bars and start a petition to have them closed down so you can sleep a little better. We are doing our best to contribute the needs of our growing neighborhood, what are you contributing from your penthouse apartment?
I can be reached at [email protected] for anyone wanting to contact me.
Now, I don’t live across the street from a bar, so you can say I don’t know what it’s like, but I do live right across the street from a school (the John Stanford School), and that brings its share of headaches: not only is difficult for my guests to park near my house on weekdays, but I often have trouble getting out of my own driveway when parents are dropping off their kids. It’s not uncommon to come out my door and find a car parked across my driveway as a mom “ducks in just for a moment” to pick up her child. School bus drivers used to leave their cigarette butts on my front stoop while they waited for the kids to load up. I hear the drone of the outdoor PA system making announcements throughout the day.
But ya know what: it’s a school, and that’s good for the neighborhood. I’m not happy about those things, but I’m also not complaining, because I know that some of life’s rain falls on us all, and if that’s the worst I get, I got it pretty good. So sure, I’m OK with that In My BackYard.
And, while the notion that the both SeaMonster and the Iron Bull shrug off responsibility for what the patrons they have drawn to the neighborhood do to the neighborhood, I also agree with the notion that these establishments have been here for a long time. If someone moved in and didn’t know they were moving in across from a bar, that hardly seems like the bar’s fault.
But that’s what I think. What do you think?
(SeaMonster photo by Emmet Anderson.
I’m guessing anyone who equates the Iron Bull and SeaMonster probably hasn’t been to either one.
I support Wallingford’s burgeoning “bar scene”. My bigger fear is the return of national chain businesses (CVS being the latest) to our business corridor. If a SeaMonster expansion keeps a Jimmy Johns or Bank of America off that corner, then they absolutely have my support.
And the fact that Gerald and Andrew took time to write thoughtful (and lengthy) responses reflects well on their investment in the neighborhood and its concerns.
Can we just go ahead and make “not in my backyard” the official slogan of wallingford? It would save lots of effort for internet commenters at least.
Good grief.
A suggestion: for those of you who want to live in a graveyard-silent neighborhood sell your home in Wallingford and you will easily be able afford one in rural King County (and pocket some profit to boot). Proximity businesses of all types (as well as schools and other institutions) is a feature of living in a close-in urban neighborhood in a major city, not a bug. Traffic, sirens, people talking on the sidewalk, etc. comes with the territory, so to speak.
I fully support both owners. I think local businesses like this add value, fun and personality to the neighborhood. I appreciate their responses as well. I wish them nothing but success. I also agree that I’d much rather have a fun bar to listen to music, watch sports and socialize than a CVS or Walgreens. Thank you to these owners whom I’m sure both work tirelessly in a very difficult business. Small business owners should be our local heros. We appreciate it!
Beats me – I would expect any owner to write up an account that paints himself as thoughtful and responsible, but I’m far enough away I have no idea whom to believe. But as for where you all can move: if someone wants to know a neighborhood where you can do whatever you want and the neighbors won’t complain, we could probably come up with a few, and Wallingford won’t be high on the list. And I think that’s a good thing on the whole.
Gerald here – owner of the Iron Bull.
I would like to suggest that anyone that believes we are some evil entity that only caters to drunks and hot rodders come by tonight.
Poke your head in and see what is going on.
You will find that at 7PM we are having special Movie Trivia with a bunch of fun gifts for the winners followed by our regular Wednesday night trivia at 9PM with cash prizes. And it is all free!
Visit us. Get to know us. Maybe you might even find you can get to like us.
Have some dinner and maybe a beer.
Shoot some pool.
Play some video games.
Or maybe pop into the Seamonster and I am thinking you will find it is not full of monsters. Just a bunch of nice folks having some fun.
Perhaps stop by The Octopus Bar and try out the food. It be damn good.
Visit with Floyd at Changes. My fav spot to take a break when we have a couple hundred Seahawks/Bears fans in the Iron Bull and I want to take a little break.
Murphy’s if a fine sport for a pint and a little relax time. I have been going there for about 20 years.
I personally know the owners of every one of these establishments and I am certain that if you did too you would know they are all nice folks trying to create fun places for a variety of people.
And not a hot rodder in the bunch……
I was raised in Wallingford before it was trendy; before homes became overpriced, before the Forth of July Fireworks on Lake Union; when the Wallingford Kiddies Parade took place mid-week during the day. The NIMBY attitude took root as soon as the entitled people moved in. They helped create a culture of privelege and to complain about the most ridiculous things: When QFC bought Food Giant did they inquire about the employees possibly being misplaced? No. They wanted to know what would happen to the f’in sign. It would all be quite hilarious if it wasn’t pathetically true.
I say you’re lucky to have business owners who listen to your concerns and attempt to be good neighbors.
The Sea Monster rocks but is a tight squeeze when Funky 2 Death is playing. I can’t wait for the expansion into the new space. If you haven’t been there recently, they really do attract a diverse crowd, with quite a few (of us) neighborhood parents enjoying a date night. I would say they are serving the neighborhood appropriately.
I am glad my and others’ posts helped balance and refute the post of the newcomer.
Iron Bull’s response is perfect. I love that place. I don’t go as much as I should, but when I do I find it a great and appropriate part of Wallingford’s old school and new school feel. I think the Bears suck and they should show Seahawks games no matter what, but that is anti-Bears, Pro-Hawks sentiment, not logic. Bears SSSUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK. Go Hawks.
In fact the employee special hamburger (with a random blob of pastrami or salami? on it) was one of my favorite sport snacks.
The Possum guy is obviously a nutcase. Sorry if the possum guy is reading, but that’s NUTS. You are a bad and stupid person, Possum guy.
I have had mixed experiences with Sea Monster, a couple of times I have gone in for drinks and bar food and been met with blank stares by new staff who had no idea what was going on or how to serve paying customers, but that was bad luck.I have also had good experiences there.
Octopus is great so far.
One day I will go sing at Changes karaoke night.
Wallingford is objectively becoming posher and quieter than ever, so folks complaining that it’s too loud and rowdy are missing the overall trend. And Tammie, I get what you’re saying, but everyone is a NIMBY about something – you’re a NIMBY about NIMBYs.
All neighborhoods change and evolve. It’s natural. Unavoidable.
Taco Time is gross. Ugly building, hate the food, I wish it was anything else, but that’s totally subjective.
One thing that has changed in Wallyhood, is that the lady who kept renting her storage space/apartment to “crack addicts and homosexual orgiasts” is gone, and so about 80% of our forum drama is gone. I miss her.
I don’t patronize bars much any more – I used to go to Goldie’s in, er, the mid-late 70’s – but I’m tempted to check it out, mostly cuz of Gerald’s awesome response.
/rob
Thank you Gerald for one of the most amusing things I’ve read all week. (And I read a lot of amusing things!)
I just moved to Wallingford and was extremely excited about all of the options for entertainment within walking distance of my home. Having been to Sea Monster a few times now, I can say with certainty that most of the patrons there are super nice, happy individuals who aren’t getting rowdy and creating disturbances as they leave the bar. (Though there is one super loud guy inside the bar that has annoyed me on two occasions, so perhaps you’ve heard him leaving from time to time.)
Not being into sports bars I haven’t checked out Iron Bull yet but knowing now what a fun and seemingly concerned owner Gerald is, I am going to stop by and give it a try.
Having lived in a city my entire life, I’m very familiar with all of the noises it can bring. We all have a choice of where we live (i just left the midwest to escape the people who complain about the weather ALL YEAR LONG. ;)) and should never be made to feel uncomfortable in our own homes but just as you’d expect the local businesses to be good neighbors you have to make an effort to be a good neighbor too. And sometimes that means just finding the best way to live through the occasional disturbance.
I think I know the possum guy. Dude is a nutcase. He stalked me and my kid around the block accusing us of upsetting his chickens.
I’m glad to see all of the support here for the bars in question. I, too, love the vibrancy that these establishments bring to the neighborhood. One of the reasons I moved to Wallingford was to live in an urban environment with energy and character. I live half a block off 45th and there are nights when we hear loud people leaving bars. But you know what I do? Turn on a fan in the bedroom. The white noise makes it all go away. And for me, the tradeoff is well worth it. I agree that those who are bothered by the noise shouldn’t live so close to the commercial center of a neighborhood–any neighborhood. There are plenty of quiet areas of Wallingford, down around 40th and up near 50th.
I love the glass Taco Time building.
What a great feed. I’ve become so tired with the regressionist NIMBYism on here. We moved to Wallingford from the UK and like its quirks and foibles. Seamonster is fab, and I welcome the opportunity for more outdoor spaces to eat, drink and watch the world go by. I’ll just have to leave my hot-rod-machine at home…
Readers of my first post which kicked off this thread might be surprised to hear that I agree with much that has been said in favor of the Bull and Monster. Gerald and Andrew sound like great guys I’d enjoy having a beer with. That said, I hope attention will remain focused on the issues that should matter to us all: one is the certain increase in noise at the 45th and Bagley intersection should SeaMonster build a patio; the second issue, implicit in the first, is the question how far pub expansion up and down 45th should be allowed to continue. When, in other worlds, is enough enough? Even people who live a block or more off 45th and like the idea of more and bigger bars may wish to ponder the likely effects of Wallingford’s accelerating development on their presently orderly lives.
Good discussion, and yeah, I’m in favor of Iron Bull and Seamonster as great gathering places in our community, and I also think Taco Time is just fine.
And hey, just want to note that having dual allegiances to the Seattle Seahawks AND the Chicago Bears is not unusual in Seattle. Yeah, when those teams play each other, I loyally wear my Seahawks hat and cheer for the homeboys, but otherwise, it’s…GO SEAHAWKS, and GO BEARS!
Elegant responses form both owners! Hope your biz’z have the same success as TT!
I find it funny that TacoTime is berated so often here. They are as much a NW franchise as Dick’s or the lost Herfy’s (Kidd Valley is just that the kid; what drove them to change their icon!?! NIMBYism?).
TT as a restaurant/biz is becoming one of the longer lived on 45th, and the Tonkin family isn’t the worst as a corporation — they’re still supporting their NW roots — and what’s that Taco truck they’ve got going?
TT’s old building on Madison was as iconic as the one here. It will be a shame if/when this one also goes. I’d hope folks would begin to realize it’s landmark status and attempt some recognition. Remember what happened with “The Blob” (though at least it’s now a park!)
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Entirely too much complaining going on… good gravy! It’s nice that we’re actually expanding local business instead of building condos or bringing in fancy ass places nobody can afford to eat at or wants too… like Ballard and Cap Hill. And at least it’s not another fast food chain! Geez. No more deaths by Grade B beef please.
Wallingford is growing to meet the wants and needs of the majority of residents. For years people have been asking for a little more interesting night life. If you can afford to own a home in Wallingford, you can afford to move your ass out of King County and own a bigger home with more space, peace and quiet somewhere else… and be all quiet and grumpy there. So do us all a favor and do it 😉
I am the mother of four wee ones, and live a block south of both of these bars. Before we moved in I worried a bit about living so close to 45th, but that’s the last time I worried about it. It’s never been an issue.
I personally would like to see MORE of a thriving pub and restaurant scene livening up the 45th St corridor. Last Friday my husband and I rolled down the hill for dinner at Westward, then back up the hill for music at the SeaMonster. It was such a fun evening! I’ll look forward to the Seamonster expansion.
I grew up in the “burbs, and I don’t live there on purpose. But if you want a quieter, less pedestrian neighborhood, there are plenty to be had in the “425”
And BTW, the Iron Bull was previously a dive bar named Goldie’s, prior to that it was the Iron Bull (the first), prior to that it was the Rat Hole Tavern, the Checkerboard Tavern, and originally the Picture Place Tavern. If you look it up, there has been a tavern in its location since 1925. I’m pretty sure nobody complaining predates that.
Um, to “ascotabroad” I am the only cool expatriate Scotsman in Wallingford and you are probably a dirty Weedgie anyway. So mind your Ps and Qs.
I’ve hit the Iron Bull a couple times and found a friendly bartender, good burgers, beer, and lots of TVs. It’s awesome. The owner’s response is awesome. This makes me wish I drank more and liked sports more so I could give him more patronage.
Iron Bull should totally do Possum T-Shirts as the bar mascot. Maybe in a Bear-themed thing.
I’ve started hitting up the Iron Bull last year to watch the occasional Spurs and Seahawks game. I’ve always had a nice time – even when I was by myself.The bartenders are great and the other attendees enthusiastic and respectful. Although, yes, when it’s packed, food and drink service is awfully slow.
However, it is a bar, and despite the best efforts of the staff, some people will drink too much. After the Seahawks home opener, my husband and I saw a man laying down in the grass next to the outdoor patio. When we asked his (standing) friend if the laying down man was ok, we were told, “He’s just taking a bit of a respite.” ha!
Gerald –
I’ve lived next to The Iron Bull throughout its entire existence and a few years before that when Goldie’s was still in business. I have no issue living next to your bar – that’s life in the city!
The only problem I have is that you keep your patio door wedged open all night with music blasting out on to the street and into the neighborhood. Your staff is kind and quick to respond when I call, but I have to call almost *every* night, sometimes several times, to get the door closed.
Why not install a automatic door closer or some other mechanism to keep the patio door from being wedged open every night? There used to be one on that door in the Goldie’s era, and noise issues were almost non-existent, even with their outdoor patio.
Bill
Bill,
I do have a spring on the door but folks put chairs to prop it open on warm nights.
The bartenders are supposed to keep it closed after 10PM but get a little lax at times.
Winter is on the way so it will diminish and hopefully next year I can afford a better AC unit.
Buy I will TONIGHT put up a notice to remind the bartenders to keep it closed.
Holy cow!
I had no idea we would get so much positive and thoughtful support. I can’t even describe how pleased I am.
I could not resist making a few more comments.
MamaGoGO…..where did you get all that history? I have looked all over the place trying to find the different iterations of the bar but only got back as far as when it was the Iron Bull before it was Goldies.
Seahawks fans….the truth be known I am a Seahawks fan also but the bar was THE BEARS BAR when I bought it and that ain’t gonna change. We actually have folks drive up from Olimpia to watch Bears games with us. We will show every Seahawks games but the Bears get the big screen.
Rob….come on down and let me buy you a beer. We need more folks that have been around a while. We may already have met as I drank a few beers at Goldies in the 70s.
Possum T-Shirts…..liking that idea.
My lawyer (and main squeeze) says:
You should have a drink special called the Naughty Possum.
Accompanying food special: chicken wings.
Uuummmm….taco time…….how can anyone not like a deep fried burrito? What would Homer say?
And woollybugger, enough is indeed enough. That is also known as supply and demand.
Wallingford will keep developing and as it does there will be more noise.
Be it from bars, daycares, people talking on the street, folks loudly ordering tacos at taco time, hot rodders or whatdafuckever.
When there are a lot of people in a small area everyone is not going to like the same things.
As Rodney said “Can’t we just get along?”.
It is possible the deck at the SeaMonster will create a little more noise.
From the responses I gather that most folks would agree that the positive aspect of it will outweigh the negative aspect.
The original post has:
• I say enough is enough. If you agree and wish to protest, make your feelings known to Lt. Roy Woodrow Perkins at the Washington State Liquor Control Board, 253-661-4935 or [email protected] .
in it.
I say anyone that does not agree that the SeaMoster should be prevented from expanding their business and putting in a deck should also let their feelings known.
And a personal note to Leslie, your husband did me a solid and let me bring a couple of young friends by to visit him at work. They had been through a great deal of anguish and it really made them feel good. You guys get about twenty beers on the house.
And the rest of ya, come visit us. Let’s blow off a little steam and have some fun!
Anyone can contact me at [email protected]
So great to have such awesome bar owners in town, and so loving the responses! Glad to see the positive, happy, supportive vibe that our neighborhood has!
Whoot!
I have to concur with the positive sentiment in these comments. We moved to and live in Wallingford (for 12+ years now) because we are excited to be able to walk to the many ammenities it has to offer (Restaurants, Bars, Movie Theatres, Parks, etc.). I’ve been to many of the places discussed on here and have nothing but positive feedback. Can’t get the game on t.v.?, how awesome is it that the Iron Bull provides tons of games just a short walk from home. Want some fantastic Jazz or other live music? Can’t beat the Sea Monster for good tunes and a cocktail and Murphy’s is an institution. (plus don’t forget Al’s or Kate’s Pub… also members of the community with owners that care). I find 45th remarkably quiet despite everything it has to offer and appreciate the options we have. Some people just like to complain.
Thanks for all the comments with a positive tone, and for the great responses from Gerald and Andrew in the original post. We all have things that bug us, but we did all choose to live in an urban neighborhood for reasons. When I moved to Wallingford about 7 years ago (part of my life-long quest to move ever closer to the city, in order to shed the trauma of growing up in Lake Forest Park), it felt like the sidewalks rolled up at 8 PM. I like to see the nightlife lively, and think it mostly makes the neighborhood safer for those of us taking late-night walks.
I also don’t hit the bars much, but Gerald and Andrew make me want to venture out. Also, I love the possum-themed tee-shirt idea! Perhaps a sea hawk could be feasting on the dead carcass.
Let’s face it, that part of our neighborhood is our little downtown, a bit of a city within a city. I agree with posters who posted that they are more concerned with what I’ll dub “chainism” such as CVS rather than one-off places like the Sea Monster or Anchor bar or Iron Bull. Of course a happy medium must be found. Yeah, when the Hawks beat the Niners there are millions of people here in the northwest including other states such as Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and even up into Canada with many Hawks fans in British Columbia/Vancouver metro area (anyone notice the Canadian flags at Seahawks games?) who when the Hawks beat the Niners especially will become quite vocal in celebrating that. I live in lower Wallingford and kept hearing hooting and hollering on a weekend day and wondered what that was all about. Later a friend pointed out to me that there was a Sounders game at the time. Sorry, I don’t really follow soccer but do consider the Seahawks kinda my religion ;D so can empathize with those who get very excited when our city’s teams score and for a brief few moments there is a bit of a noise nuisance in our little corner of the world.
I’m loving the comments. I moved here because I wanted to be able to walk to fun establishments and avoid driving when possible. Bring in more fun and unique restaurants and bars, and let’s save our protests for the chains. The streetlight outside my bedroom window keeps me up at night far more than any noise.
I considered not writing anything for fear of dead possums or worse, but ended up deciding that I wanted to throw my two cents in anyway.
I live literally on top of the Iron Bull. OK, maybe not literally, because that would mean I was a squatter taking up residence in their somewhat lax A/C unit (just a joke), but you get my drift.
I’m a student in a punishing graduate program living in housing provided by a family member on ramen and scraps, so moving to the “425” is not an option for me. Nor should it be assumed that just because I am living in Wallingford I am wealthy and able to buy my way out of any complaints that I might have…just for the record.
I would certainly love to come over to the Iron Bull and have a beer, except reference the above comment about Ramen. My budget does not allow extracurricular drinking, much to my obvious chagrin.
But enough about me. Let’s talk about the bar scene. I have thoughtfully read both bar owners’ responses and all of the above comments, and I have two things to say:
1) I generally don’t have a problem with the bar noise. I have purchased a wonderful white noise machine and that takes care of the bulk of it. I have called the bar several times, and found them pretty responsive, and I have also noticed that they have been VERY diligent recently about closing the back door promptly at 10 PM. I also appreciate the owner, Gerald, being such a big part of this chain of comments and his extensive response. I am very sorry about the possums, and I understand that that was not only unwarranted but definitely insane and probably traumatic. I have not once been tempted to throw dead rodents on your bar.
2) I do disagree, though, that once patrons leave they become “not your problem”. I know that there is very little that you can do to control the clientele or what they do when they leave, but you can control your patio (including the noise level), and you can also control how much of the firewater you are feeding to people (within reason. Let me make myself clear: I am not suggesting a two-beer rule or anything, but I am suggesting not an unlimited pour…most of the problems I have had with noise have been with people who have no business still remaining standing, much less talking). I did notice a couple of, um, interesting people being turned away last night (after backing their trailer into a car parked behind them), so perhaps that is a step in the right direction, but that would be my only suggestion.
Prior to living here, I lived in a VERY similar neighborhood in Los Angeles, and the noise problem was a non-issue because patrons were counseled on being considerate, and the outdoor patios were closed after midnight. Have you considered closing the outdoor patio after midnight and asking people who want to smoke do it on the 45th street side where there are no residences?
Bottom line, though…I really appreciate your responsiveness and I know that it cannot be easy to be you against this kind of vitriol, dead possums and all (I would buy YOU a beer for the possum situation…).
I am curious to ask Gerald and Andrew (and any other bar/restaurant workers or smokers):
How has the rise in use of e-cigarettes affected the amount of people stepping outside creating smoke/noise?
How about the over decrease of smokers? I believe that fewer than1 in every 5 adults in the US currently smoke cigarettes. If that is the country as a whole I would assume in Seattle that is even less.
Have these trends changed the situation at all?
I agree that 45th street’s commercial area was a main draw when I moved to Wallingford. I look forward to when it is pleasure to spend the afternoon strolling up and down it to University and back. Poking in and out of cute stores, running errands and getting a bite or drink along the way. I do agree that there is a point when a small area can become beyond saturated with bars and late night activity. But we are absolutely no where near that point. This is a good conversation to have started and I hope it can remain candid and open minded.
Gerald-
I am relatively new to Wallingford and have never been to The Iron Bull. But your excellent responses and comments make me want to visit. I hope to see you soon.
Although I hate to beat a dead horse (I might kick around a dead possum for a bit) I have a few more things to respond to here.
First the e-cigarettes. I do not know if their introduction has affected how many people are outside using them. I looked up the definition of smoking a while back and it said something to the effect of having ignited smoking material.
I do not know if they have changed the definition and I do not know how e-cigarettes work but if they are not ignited I would think they would be legal in a bar. However, I leave that up to the lawyers to figure that one out.
The only real effect it has had on us is I am told that pulltab (we got em) sells have decreased dramatically since the nonsmoking stuff started. A small price to pay to have a place that does not smell bad.
I recognize that we are responsible to not over serve people.
That is a very clear law.
It is also very hard to strictly obey. We quickly cut people off when it is evident that it is time to do so but the place is pretty big and at times it is hard to monitor everyone. It is also impossible to predetermine how much a person can drink without becoming impaired. Some folks can just have a couple drinks and get hammered. Some folks arrive with a snoot full and it is hard to detect at times.
We do our very best to avoid over serving.
That being said when people leave the bar we have no authority to do anything.
I can ask them to be quite and suggest they not hot rod but once they are outside I have no more authority over them than you do.
I do recognize that the deck is part of the bar and that is my problem.
I just emailed my manager that the deck will be closed at midnight on weeknights and the door must remain close after 10PM every night.
For the student on a very tight budget.
We have free popcorn all the time.
Sunday and Tuesday we have free pool.
Tuesday is taco Tuesday all day. $1.50 for a taco will be a nice affordable break from a diet of Ramen.
We have free Karaoke (with the back door closed) Tuesday night.
Monday $2.50 tall boy Rainiers.
Wednesday is free trivia night with cash prizes! You can supplement your income with that big brain of yours.
Wednesday we also have an 8 ball tournament that cost $5 to enter. The winner takes all but you need to be pretty good at pool to get a return on that investment.
We have every sporting event you can imagine you can watch. Even the golf and tennis channels.
Come vist. You might like the joint.
Thanks for the update and the accommodations, Gerald.
I will definitely be by soon, possibly for Karaoke. If you se the best Elvis ever, that’s me.
BEARS SUCK.
No offense.